Se hai notato, Jadedvideo no e' stata accusata di "oscenita'", ma Max Hardcore/Paul Litte. Jadevideo ha testimoniato in favore del governo che gli ha fornito della immunita'. Cioe' il governo ha fatto valere il fatto che vendendo i suoi film a Jadedvideo, Max doveva immaginarsi che Jadedvideo a un certo punto li avrebbe speduto alla sua clientela per posta...Mavco Pizellonio ha scritto:Grazie Len.
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MauroG
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allora ci sarà altro sotto, cmq sono sempre convinto che gli USA su queste cose vivano in troppe contraddizioni
Siamo cresciuti con la televisione che ci ha convinto che un giorno saremmo diventati miliardari, miti del cinema, rock stars. Ma non é cosi. E lentamente lo stiamo imparando. E ne abbiamo veramente le palle piene. (Tyler Durden, Fight Club)
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MauroG
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si ma noi abbiamo un altra storia ed un altra cultura, penso la nostra censura abbia radici + politico/religiose
Siamo cresciuti con la televisione che ci ha convinto che un giorno saremmo diventati miliardari, miti del cinema, rock stars. Ma non é cosi. E lentamente lo stiamo imparando. E ne abbiamo veramente le palle piene. (Tyler Durden, Fight Club)
To each his own...MauroG ha scritto:si ma noi abbiamo un altra storia ed un altra cultura, penso la nostra censura abbia radici + politico/religiose
Se si considera che scene di nudo in film americani (tradizionali) erano rare fino al 1968, e che nello spazio di 2 anni si e' passato all'hard quando in Italia ancora non si sognava proprio...
Quante volte i Mitchell Bros, Alex de Renzy e altri pionieri erano stati accusati di "oscenita'" senza che il governo ebbe mai avuto la possibilita' di metterli in galera....I film hard dovevano essere girati di nascosto, siccome le attrici/attori/produttori venivano accusati di prostituzione...
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MauroG
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grazie x l'illuminazione Len 
molte doi queste cose non le conoscevo proprio
ma la cosa che continua a meravigliarmi è che essendo loro così avanti rispetto a noi, perchè hanno questi problemi considerando oscenità scene tipo pissing (ok non a tutti piace) e magari su altro lasciano correre?
molte doi queste cose non le conoscevo proprio
ma la cosa che continua a meravigliarmi è che essendo loro così avanti rispetto a noi, perchè hanno questi problemi considerando oscenità scene tipo pissing (ok non a tutti piace) e magari su altro lasciano correre?
Siamo cresciuti con la televisione che ci ha convinto che un giorno saremmo diventati miliardari, miti del cinema, rock stars. Ma non é cosi. E lentamente lo stiamo imparando. E ne abbiamo veramente le palle piene. (Tyler Durden, Fight Club)
Per me e' un poco difficile fare un paragone entro il cinema hard (o tradizionale) italiano e americano.MauroG ha scritto:grazie x l'illuminazione Len
molte doi queste cose non le conoscevo proprio
Ma la cosa che continua a meravigliarmi è che essendo loro così avanti rispetto a noi, perchè hanno questi problemi considerando oscenità scene tipo pissing (ok non a tutti piace) e magari su altro lasciano correre?
Nell'inizio un'attrice che girava una scena di sesso era considerato un atto di prostituzione. Fu piu' tardi in seguito a vari decisioni e giurisprudenza che non poteva essere un atto di prostutuzione siccome l'attore non pagava l'attrice per un atto di sesso. I pionieri hard americani difendevano i loro diritto gi girare scene di sesso sotto gli auspici del "freedom of speech" (liberta' di parola). Ma piu' tardi, venne il problema del "community standars" siccome non si poteva stabilire cos'era un atto osceno. A New York i film di Max Hardcore non farebbero tanto scandalo, ma in una piccola communita in Alabama e' una cosa diversa.
Il governo (ministro della giustizia) per dimostrare che loro proteggono la moralita' ogni tanto portano accuse contro qualcuno per oscenita'.
Max Hardcore e' un parafulmine per il prodotto scabroso che gira da molto tempo, e non e' la prima volta che le autorita' lo inseguono e lo accusano...
Certi distributori di film hard americani per evitare problemi dove sono stati portati accuse di oscenita', non vendono/distribuiscono film in quelle comunita'.l
Ultima modifica di Len801 il 10/06/2008, 23:24, modificato 1 volta in totale.
Max Hardcore Found Guilty in Obscenity Trial
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AMPA - Producer Max Hardcore was found guilty today of 10 federal counts of distributing obscene materials over the Internet and through the mail. His company Max World Entertainment was also found guilty on 10 related charges.
"It's a sad day for all Americans when they smash any kind of free speech and that's what happened in Tampa today," Max Hardcore told AVN. "They trampled on free speech, and I intend to appeal."
Max faces up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine for each count of conviction, as well as forfeiture of his Internet domain names. Max World faces a separate $250,000 fine. The government had separately sought the forfeiture of Hardcore's home in Altadena, Calif., but the jury ruled against that penalty.
"I'm full of good spirits and they didn't get my house," Hardcore said. "We're talking to a couple of jurors and they felt very strongly for me, but the way the laws are formulated, they were boxed in to a corner. I should have got off for this nonsense; obscenity is an archaic term, it's not defined well. I received no warning and they attempted to put me behind bars; they've got a conviction, but we intend to fight on."
Earlier today, jurors asked U.S. District Judge Susan Bucklew for guidance as the jury was having trouble reaching a unanimous decision.
The jury foreman sent a note to Bucklew just after 3 p.m., asking: "If we make a decision on 10 of the 20 counts, but are unable to reach a decision on the other 10, will the 10 counts that we decide on stand?''
Bucklew said the jury's decision would count.
The jurors responded in another note: "There are people on both sides of the issues, and we do not believe we'll be able to reach a unanimous decision. How long must we deliberate?''
The judge urged jurors to try again. "I'm not going to tell you how much time to deliberate, but I am going to ask you to deliberate again,'' she said.
The jury then asked Judge Bucklew for permission to take a break, because "emotions were running very high." Bucklew granted the break, asking attorneys to stay in the courthouse to give the jurors time to talk again.
The jury returned its verdict at approximately 7 p.m after deliberating for a total of 14 hours in the past two days. After the jury returned its verdict, the judge dismissed the defense's motion to dismiss the case which had been held in reserve.
"It was a travesty but we had no choice because of the way the law is written," one juror told AVN.
Several jurors approached Max Hardcore and his attorneys to express their sympathy at having been forced to convict him on the counts due to the "poorly written" law regarding the transportation of obscene material via the internet and the mailing of the DVDs to the middle district of Florida.
Another juror reportedly said that if two words in the law had been different, he would have held out for acquittal.
Attorney Jeffrey Douglas echoed Max's sentiments.
"As I said in closing argument, I believe that this prosecution was shameful," Douglas told AVN. "And as Max Hardcore said, this is a sad day for America. It's a deeply sad day for him personally, but also for all of us."
Max Hardcore will be sentenced September 5. He is free on bail until that date.
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AMPA - Producer Max Hardcore was found guilty today of 10 federal counts of distributing obscene materials over the Internet and through the mail. His company Max World Entertainment was also found guilty on 10 related charges.
"It's a sad day for all Americans when they smash any kind of free speech and that's what happened in Tampa today," Max Hardcore told AVN. "They trampled on free speech, and I intend to appeal."
Max faces up to five years in prison and a $250,000 fine for each count of conviction, as well as forfeiture of his Internet domain names. Max World faces a separate $250,000 fine. The government had separately sought the forfeiture of Hardcore's home in Altadena, Calif., but the jury ruled against that penalty.
"I'm full of good spirits and they didn't get my house," Hardcore said. "We're talking to a couple of jurors and they felt very strongly for me, but the way the laws are formulated, they were boxed in to a corner. I should have got off for this nonsense; obscenity is an archaic term, it's not defined well. I received no warning and they attempted to put me behind bars; they've got a conviction, but we intend to fight on."
Earlier today, jurors asked U.S. District Judge Susan Bucklew for guidance as the jury was having trouble reaching a unanimous decision.
The jury foreman sent a note to Bucklew just after 3 p.m., asking: "If we make a decision on 10 of the 20 counts, but are unable to reach a decision on the other 10, will the 10 counts that we decide on stand?''
Bucklew said the jury's decision would count.
The jurors responded in another note: "There are people on both sides of the issues, and we do not believe we'll be able to reach a unanimous decision. How long must we deliberate?''
The judge urged jurors to try again. "I'm not going to tell you how much time to deliberate, but I am going to ask you to deliberate again,'' she said.
The jury then asked Judge Bucklew for permission to take a break, because "emotions were running very high." Bucklew granted the break, asking attorneys to stay in the courthouse to give the jurors time to talk again.
The jury returned its verdict at approximately 7 p.m after deliberating for a total of 14 hours in the past two days. After the jury returned its verdict, the judge dismissed the defense's motion to dismiss the case which had been held in reserve.
"It was a travesty but we had no choice because of the way the law is written," one juror told AVN.
Several jurors approached Max Hardcore and his attorneys to express their sympathy at having been forced to convict him on the counts due to the "poorly written" law regarding the transportation of obscene material via the internet and the mailing of the DVDs to the middle district of Florida.
Another juror reportedly said that if two words in the law had been different, he would have held out for acquittal.
Attorney Jeffrey Douglas echoed Max's sentiments.
"As I said in closing argument, I believe that this prosecution was shameful," Douglas told AVN. "And as Max Hardcore said, this is a sad day for America. It's a deeply sad day for him personally, but also for all of us."
Max Hardcore will be sentenced September 5. He is free on bail until that date.
I'm just another bored male, approaching 30, in a dead-end job, who lives for the weekend. Casual sex, watered-down lager, heavily cut drugs. And occasionally kicking fuck out of someone.
