i found an extremely hot preview clip of hungarian pornstar
Victoria Swinger in a very hot rapescene.
Some pics as a preview and the link to the preview clip
http://rapidshare.de/files/1519862/Rape ... m.wmv.html

you can download the full 25 minutes clip on may 5th, but its
a paysite.
http://www.victoriaswinger.com/
http://www.victoriaswinger.com/main/

one of Victorias statements about this scene

My editor is running at the moment creating the complete version of this scene. Its 25 minutes long.

The update for this one will be special. Both the images and the movie will be available on the same day. We are not going to stagger launch this because we want full impact immediately.

The quality should be higher than the trailer and a new trailer is coming soon which shows a lot more. The BTS will also follow quite soon after so the complete rape edition is completed very quickly.

There is an unbelievable amount of BTS footage shot for this scene which shows a lot more.

I will be speaking with Victoria next week and because of the amount of interest in this particular scene, I am going to ask if she would consider doing more of the same. If you have any ideas for something totally mindblowing in this style, please let us know. Rape has been done and I know she does not want to do another scene depicting rape. As you will see, this scene is extremely graphic and very powerful.

It took 15 hours to put together this scene so that it gives the full effect. We did originally want to use music in the background but I found that it killed the effect. So, we have gone for ambient sounds that just add to the atmospher

Since the late 1990's, porn (and in particulatr american porn) has been moving towards more violent content (SLAP HAPPY, etc).
I don't believe this is the direction to go, and if you have been watching the more recent stuff from Siffredi, Nacho, Max Hardcore, and others you will have an idea of what I am talking about.
I believe there will be a backlash, if porn producers keep pushing this type of product.
Sex and violence (whether in mainstream or porn movies), rape, violence towards women (even if fake) has never gone well with the general public, and I am surprised and extremely disappointed you seem to be in favor of this type of product.

I understand your thoughts, I only did this posting, cause
Victoria Swinger is one of the most beautiful pornstars onthe european market and its very unusual to do a scene like this.
Its only a dark fantasy and that it should be.
Italian movies often contain sex and crime like the mario salieri, nicky ranierie, andy casanova movies.
This was always fascinating for me, but like I said its only a fantasy and that it should be

Peace

Fumetto

The hardest scenes for this matter are those with Alexandria Quinn, Ava Devine, Ashley Moore, Ashley Blue, Britney Madison, Julie Knight, Summer Luv. Newest with black Monique, oldest with Mila

Fumetto ha scritto:I understand your thoughts, I only did this posting, cause
Victoria Swinger is one of the most beautiful pornstars onthe european market and its very unusual to do a scene like this.
Its only a dark fantasy and that it should be.
Italian movies often contain sex and crime like the mario salieri, nicky ranierie, andy casanova movies.
This was always fascinating for me, but like I said its only a fantasy and that it should be

Peace

Fumetto

Yes, Italian movies do contain stories of crime (kidnappings, blackmail, incest, nuns and priest, etc), and most of it is derogatory in their treatment of women. No surprise that these movies are not distributed in the USA.
Victoria gets paid for what she is asked to do (as Max HArdcore actresses have done), and while it may be a "rape fantasy", adult filmmakers should NOT be pushing this type of product onto to the general public.
This serves only a lightning rod for the public for what it perceives as the negative (or general) aspect of porn: mistreatment of women.
If you look at the US porn product, it is rare you see rape scenes in them. Some companies have pushed their envolope (for example: Rob Black of Extreme Associates, who is still facing American justice) only to find the law on their back. The US news media loves to air negative aspects of porn, and a documentary that was made by ABC a couple of years back featuring Bella Donna (who is shown crying and saying that she was forced to do a gangbang scene), shows you what I mean.
What I find disconcerting is your apparent enjoyment of such scenes, which is essentially the theme of your post. To report that such scenes have been made is one thing, to rave about it (which I believe is what you have done), is another.
ALL porn is fantasy, where men and women drop their clothes every few minutes and screw for little or no apparent dramatic reason. As such, there is little jusitfication for "forced sex". It only reinforces what people generally perceive to be the major negative aspect of porn as I have said.

Well I was really impressed when i ve seen the first salieri movies
like concetta licata, dracula, scenegiatta neapoletana, les captives....
they all contained a lot of sex and crime, which wasnt allowed in countries like germany, swiss, austria.
so in movies like orgies romaines or scenegiatta neapoletana the violent
rape, whipping scenes were deleted or censored, which damaged the whole movie, cause an important part of the story was missing.
then I ve seen an american version of "story of O" they dident delete any whipping or torture scene they only censored the naked breasts of corinne clery like violence is allowed but no nudity, ok no more bad words about our american friends
to be honest yes it turns me on when i see scnes like in ckp, scenegiatta neapoletana or like the clip of victoria swinger, as long as it is played
and not the weird and sick stuff like meatholes or other degrading movies, where women are really handled like meat, this is disguisting for me too, and i can understand that a lot of people are turned off by scenes like that.
But i have to say it again victoria swinger looks so hot in this clip

Fumetto ha scritto:Well I was really impressed when i ve seen the first salieri movies
like concetta licata, dracula, scenegiatta neapoletana, les captives....
they all contained a lot of sex and crime, which wasnt allowed in countries like germany, swiss, austria.
so in movies like orgies romaines or scenegiatta neapoletana the violent
rape, whipping scenes were deleted or censored, which damaged the whole movie, cause an important part of the story was missing.
then I ve seen an american version of "story of O" they dident delete any whipping or torture scene they only censored the naked breasts of corinne clery like violence is allowed but no nudity, ok no more bad words about our american friends
to be honest yes it turns me on when i see scnes like in ckp, scenegiatta neapoletana or like the clip of victoria swinger, as long as it is played
and not the weird and sick stuff like meatholes or other degrading movies, where women are really handled like meat, this is disguisting for me too, and i can understand that a lot of people are turned off by scenes like that.
But i have to say it again victoria swinger looks so hot in this clip

Well, I was never impressed by Mario Salieri (movies he directs or produces). As I said in another post, he bores me to death, and most of his movies are very short, and even in these, time passes by slowly.
With respect to the violence in his movies, thankfully I have not seen any because they are either not exported or are distributed with deleted scenes. Does he save on electricity when he shoots (all scenes are darkly lit), and does he put the movie camera on a dolly (his scenes are so static)?
Watch hard core movies shot in California (or Privateand Hustler movies shot in exotic locations)---all brightly lit. Watch a Salieri/Jenny Forte film (who is Jenny Forte and does "she" really exist?) and you swear they were shot with a candle as its only single light source.
Not to say that American porn does not contain some rather dubious material in the "forced" sex category (even Joey Silvera lately seems to be going more and more in that direction).
Video Marc Dorcel used to make interesting, glossy films, way before Private started to break into their territory. Now they make bland movies (with frequent use of condom) just to satisfy their US counterparts, mainly because VMD has a distribution deal with Wicked in the US.
I think Americans would love to put the kind of violence in porn films that Italian and Germans get away with. But for the moment, there is resistance from big firms like Vivid, VCA, Wicked and company, and from law enforcement officials who are always ready to slap on obscenity charges against such wayward producers.
But I am not the only one to believe that to start mixing violence and general mistreatment of women in hard core porn is not the way to go, as it becomes a lightning rod for all types of associations who mobilize against the porn industry (and the consumers of such material) when it perceives they are are nothing more than scum who mistreat women simply for their enjoyment.
Why do you think the ABC-TV documentary about Bella Donna was so highly publicized, and why Entertainment E TV in the USA has made documentaries about Savannah and PBS did one years back about Shauna Grant. They all pointed to negative aspect of porn (forcing people into sex, hiring girls with troubled personalities and drug problems)

ok its my personal taste but i much more prefer salieri movies.
private and hustler is ok, beautiful girls, beautiful locations,
vaginal, anal, doublepenetration, cumshot....
for me its always the same, no story behind it, but
the girls are really pretty like yasmyne fitzgerald, sophie evans, julia taylor, julie silver (she also did a rapemovie)
In salieri movies there often happens a lot of unusual things, i like the light there but I also liked the candlelight scene in Stanley kubricks
"barry lyndon"
I liked the black and white movies of salieri like stupri gallery, il maestro... its different, but i often wish to see selens sexscene in concetta licata 2 in colour
I also liked the scenes in dracula, when the prisoners heart is torn out of his body or the old lady spits over all hte people in the room like in
"exorcist"
not to forget the beauties which worked for Salieri
Selen, Deborah wells, simona valli, monica roccaforte, bambola, draghixa,
angela ambrus, nathalie romel, nj de bahia, tania lariviere, dalila, maeva,
wanda curtis, rebecca lord, julia chanel, tabatha cash, lea martini....
these ladies all have class and they showed their class in the movies
see the attached pics
but its a fact that a lot of ex salieri girls like selen, wanda curtis, doesent wanna work togeather with Mario Salieri.
http://communities.msn.at/MarioSalieriHardcoreClub
http://groups.yahoo.com/group/mariosalierihardcoreclub/
http://communities.msn.at/MarioSalieriHardcoreClub2

Watching Ron "the hedgehog" Jeremy pawing Deborah Wells is enough to make me lose my lunch.

"Watching Ron "the hedgehog" Jeremy pawing Deborah Wells is enough to make me lose my lunch."

by len



ti preferisco quasi in versione "opinionista porno" che come "enciclopedico del porno"

balkan wolf ha scritto:"Watching Ron "the hedgehog" Jeremy pawing Deborah Wells is enough to make me lose my lunch."

by len



ti preferisco quasi in versione "opinionista porno" che come "enciclopedico del porno"

Visto cosi, Balkan, cambio "mestiere". Mi crea meno grattacapi e meno aspettative. Allora d'oggi in poi, nuovo cappello, "Len-opinionista porno". Cosi mi presentero' al prossimo concorso.

ok its my personal taste but i much more prefer salieri movies.
private and hustler is ok, beautiful girls, beautiful locations,
vaginal, anal, doublepenetration, cumshot....
for me its always the same, no story behind it, but
the girls are really pretty like yasmyne fitzgerald, sophie evans, julia taylor, julie silver (she also did a rapemovie)
In salieri movies there often happens a lot of unusual things, i like the light there but I also liked the candlelight scene in Stanley kubricks
"barry lyndon"

As if Salieri films do not have the same look and feel. Fumetto...gimme a break!!!!
They all look the same. A woman is usually forced into sex. Sex scene dimly lit on a bed, couch, etc: handjob, bj, sex in 2-3 positions, brief anal, cum shot and it's over in about 4 minutes. Sex scenes shot by Red Light, Anabolic, Zero Tolerance, 3rd Degree, last 20-30 minutes are well lit and there is more varied action. So if I pick up a Red Light video with a favorite actress, I know the scene will be a long one and I will enjoy it. With Salieri, it will be over in an average of 4 minutes. Not enough to wet my appetite.
Sure, well-known actresses have worked for Salieri, but there are probably a number of obvious reasons for that. Actresses believe they have a better chance of widening their popularity by starring in his films, and perhaps he pays better. His films receive a wider release in Italy and other European countries (France, Germany, etc), so yes most actresses look for that opportunity (why do you think actresses in the US want to work for Vivid and become the next Jenna Jameson??). But that does not necessarily mean Salieri's films are better. As for their violent content, I really cannot comprehend your fascination in that. Violence and misteatment of women in real life and in porn have no justification. In porn, all sex is fantasy, sex happens for no dramatic reason. There is little or no built-up, it just happens, everybody is always ready to screw. Even ugly men like Ron Jeremy, Max Hardcore, Ed Powers, Brian Surewood (just to mention a few) get to screw incredible looking young women. In real life it would never happen (as if they don't know that).
I saw an interview with Ron about why he remains in porn, and all he could manage was that it is easier to be called an active porn star than an "ex"-porn star. See if that makes sense to you.
With regards to Kubrick's BARRY LYNDON (1975), it was one of the first to use natural light in interior scenes, and I believe Kodak had developed at that time a special fast film to capture candle-lit scenes with satisfactory results. But are you saying that Salieri is trying emulate Kubrick???? Sex is sex, and I don't have to strain my eyes to see what is going on. It was bad enough until the early 1990's, when a couple was screwing on the screen, you couldn't see much of what was going on, with the thick bush actresses were sporting and the horrible camera angles (they were using bulky 16mm cameras). Now the scenes are much brightly lit and women a(and men) are shaved. What is the point of shooting a sex scene in the dark?? To make an artistic statement? And what of the violence? To try to justify that it happens in real life, and so porn movies have to imitate "real events"?

"Visto cosi, Balkan, cambio "mestiere". Mi crea meno grattacapi e meno aspettative. Allora d'oggi in poi, nuovo cappello, "Len-opinionista porno". Cosi mi presentero' al prossimo concorso."

by len

ma no ma no len "doppio mestiere"

p.s.

ron "the hedgeon" SUCKS!!!!